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Question, not necessarily needing answer. Is Chak De! India a feminist film?

For those unlucky, unlucky people who haven't seen it: it's the archetypical sports film, charting the rise of the team of no-hopers to international champions, with the unusual characteristic that the team in question is the Indian women's national hockey team. (Field hockey is India's national sport. Don't pretend to be unsurprised.)

Also, it's pretty fantastic. I watched it again recently and Shim ended up drawing up a chair so he could read the subtitles, and we cheered and groaned in the right places. I highly recommend this vid as a much better introduction to it, and, in fact, a just a brilliant vid in general. I've recommended it before, it's fabulous.

And on the face of it, it ought to be a feminist film. It's a film about women's success, after all - women succeeding at something together. It passes the Bechdel test in every scene. It's about power, and how to find it. The problem, though, is that the main protagonist is not one of the women - he's their coach, Kabir Khan (Shah Rukh Khan, who else), who's coaching them after, years before, having been accused of throwing an India v. Pakistan match, and their success redeems him. And nowhere is it more obvious that it's his story is the fact the film begins and ends with him - the women have their individual arcs, but these are resolved, literally, over the credits - the closing shot of the film is of Khan returning to his childhood home.

And further, the individual arcs of the women are not always given the attention they deserve, either. While they all have stories, it's notable that the ones that get the most time are Vidya, Preeti, and Bindia, the three middle-class city girls. Which isn't to say their stories don't have feminist undercurrents - I absolutely love that the film doesn't, for a second, avoid the point that these women's families think their dedication to their sport makes them unmarriagable, and doesn't avoid the choices they have to make.

But I wanted more about Soimoi, a woman from Jharkhand whose Hindi is limited and English non-existent, who gets called junglee by the others, and about Mary and Molly, Christians from the north-east who get called "foreign" rather than Indian. My favourite is Komal, who is tiny and determined (hey, guess why I love her), and is going to play hockey rather than get married. What I mean to say is, all the dynamics of bias other than gender are right there for you to see, it is in no way a perfect film.

But at the same time... I suspect to analyse this film from a Western feminist perspective is interesting but not helpful. This is India we're talking about - India, and Indians, and it's this post that reminded me today of Chak De! India, this is the country where a woman needs a broken mirror to go and see a film.

Which brings me to the point of all of this, really: that scene, That notorious scene, near the beginning of the film, which I remember everyone talking about when the film was first released, some in disgust, but most with a quiet understated glee. Simply put: a man makes a crude remark at a professional female athlete in public. She ignores him. He tries it on again. She tries harder to ignore him. Her friend, also a professional athlete, loses her temper and punches him in the face. He gets pissed off and calls over his friends. And then fifteen other professional athletes punch him in the face.

Look, watch it.

My apologies - I couldn't find a subtitled version. The only dialogue you really need, though, is the bit where SRK is holding the guy with the cricket bat against the wall - he's telling him he's a bastard and not to hit people from behind.




And okay, I do not think violence is the answer, and this is a fantasy. But I defy you not to enjoy it. I really do. And that goes for the film as a whole - which, for all its failings, is about brown women being awesome. And, you know, I am okay with that.

on 2010-03-17 06:39 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jacinthsong.livejournal.com
That scene makes my mouth turn up at the ends.

WHAT IS THIS STRANGE FEELING?

on 2010-03-17 08:46 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
inorite? That first punch makes everything so much better.

on 2010-03-17 06:51 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
After a truly rubbish day, that scene makes me smile; and I don't know the context. I am definitely going to have a find a copy of it!

on 2010-03-17 08:47 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Oh hey, I have one and I am home next week, and I haven't finished watching DS9! Want to get drunk and watch stuff?

on 2010-03-18 07:28 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
I AGREE WITH THE ABOVE STATEMENT. What days are you home? PLEASE don't say it's this weekend as I am being dragged away but am home on Monday night and I want nothing more than to drink and watch DS9...

on 2010-03-19 12:46 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Could you do Tuesday or Wednesday? I could do Monday in a pinch, but it's the actual day I get back so might annoy the family a wee bit. I have a driving licence again and WILL BRING BOOZE.

on 2010-03-19 06:46 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
I am free LIKE A FREE THING on both Tuesday and Wednesday (after 6pm; work is eeeeeeeevil and has randomly extended my hours), so let me know what day is best for you and we can sort something out!

on 2010-03-22 05:40 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Wednesday! Awesomeness. I can come to you, if you can drop me sleepily at the station in the morning, or you're very welcome to come here. Or we could go crazy and meet Inna Pub or something! What do you reckon?

on 2010-03-22 10:17 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
OMG DECISIONS. Er. I can drop you sleepily at the station in the morning, if that's ok? ALTHOUGH WE COULD THROW PUB IN THERE TOO!

Anyway, basically I am free from six onwards on Wednesday so how about we agree that we shall meet at sevenish in Ormskirk at station, go Inna Pub of some description and then watch DS9?

Texting is prob. best, soif this is A-OK as plans go then let me know!

on 2010-03-17 07:12 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
Wow, did not know about that article you linked- that's an eye-opener. Will have to wait to view the video, but that sounds like a grin-inducer.

on 2010-03-17 08:47 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I hope you like it! It makes me very happy. :)

on 2010-03-17 07:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] subservient-son.livejournal.com
I thought Cricket was India's national sport, with Field Hockey no. 2?

on 2010-03-17 08:29 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Cricket is definitely India's most popular sport, but nope, the officially deemed national sport is field hockey. (I suspect it's because cricket isn't an Olympic sport - and we have eight gold medals in hockey!)

on 2010-03-17 08:38 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jacinthsong.livejournal.com
I didn't realise there were such things as offical national sports. This is what you get for, er, completely ignoring sport I guess.

on 2010-03-17 08:44 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] subservient-son.livejournal.com
Sorry, am being a bit obtuse here - what's the difference between a national sport and the nation's most popular sport?

I'm sure cricket will become an olympic sport eventually, probably in 2020 format.

on 2010-03-17 08:49 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
In that India has, in its statutes, something like, "and it is hereby deemed that the national sport shall be field hockey", and it gets extra public funding and whatnot. Having had a poke around, most countries do not do this!

on 2010-03-17 09:51 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] subservient-son.livejournal.com
That's really interesting. I guess that cricket is such huge business in India that it hardly needs public funding.

on 2010-03-18 03:28 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] very-improbable.livejournal.com
...Meanwhile, I have just learned from this thread that the concept of "national sport" is not universally known in the English-speaking world. :)

(Like many North American pedants, I "know" that Canada's national sport is not hockey but lacrosse -- except that I looked this up before posting and it turns out they added hockey in 1994, long before I learned that factoid.)

on 2010-03-17 08:21 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] soupytwist.livejournal.com
I believe that is what they call "cathartic". Awesome.

on 2010-03-17 08:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*vbg* It fills me with such joy.

on 2010-03-17 09:19 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] sunlightdances.livejournal.com
Bweeee! *flail* I want to see that film.

on 2010-03-17 10:13 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*grins* If you get the chance, you should! It is awesome.

on 2010-03-17 09:57 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] anotherusedpage.livejournal.com
Ohhhhh! *grin*

Wanna see the rest of it! Girly sports flicks FTW!

on 2010-03-17 10:14 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
It is AWESOME. I would love to show it to you sometime!

on 2010-03-17 10:18 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] lauds.livejournal.com
I have been wanting to watch this film for YEARS. And a fellow feminist's description of this scene is why (and my general love of Bollywood).

on 2010-03-18 12:02 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
It is so great! If you get the chance you SHOULD, yes.

Also, I love your icon. :)

on 2010-03-17 11:47 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tau_sigma
Oh, that's wonderful. I am trying to find other words, and 'wonderful' is pretty much all I can say. I very much want to watch the whole film one day. (Preferably with subtitles. *g*)

(Also, what does 'chak de' mean? Does SRK say it while holding man-with-cricket-bat against wall, or am I hearing things?)

And the post - it is good, I think, to be reminded how lucky I am, to live in England. I take it for granted, that I can wander about safely and without my private space being invaded (mostly). I shouldn't.

on 2010-03-18 12:01 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Next time you come and visit, we should watch it, I think everyone should see it.

He does not, alas; he says "hamara hockey mein, chakke nahin hothe" - in hockey, we're not scared. "Chak de!" is a little difficult to translate accurately; the English translation of the film title was "Go for it, India!" but I think that's a little strained. It's maybe better to say that "Chak de! India" means "Vive la France!"

on 2010-03-18 08:52 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] flashofalchemy.livejournal.com
Ooh, must see the rest of that sometime soon!

on 2010-03-19 01:05 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
You should! It's great.

on 2010-03-18 10:20 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] silveronthetree.livejournal.com
Ooh! I've been wanting to watch that since I saw the vid and that clip but I keep forgetting the title. It looks as if they have 2 copies at my local library. Excellent.

I definitely need to watch more things with brown women being awesome. That clip made me cheer.

on 2010-03-19 01:06 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I am glad! It is so very wonderful, I do think everyone should see it.

on 2010-03-18 01:23 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] fairestcat
That scene is AWESOME. *hearts* I'm a complete sucker for that type of sports movie, especially ones about women, so I've wanted to see that movie ever since I first heard about it, and now I just want to see it even more.

That blog post on the other hand, made me want to either cry or break things. Sometimes I really hate the world, you know?

on 2010-03-19 02:04 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Oh, I know, I know. Especially when it's on that sort of scale, and happening in a country that you're supposed to belong to, and be a respected part of. It just sucks.

The clip, however, really does cheer me up. :)

on 2010-03-18 01:30 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] petronelle.livejournal.com
This scene made me cry, but it was the good kind of crying.

on 2010-03-19 02:05 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I am glad, I think. I'm glad I could show it to you.

on 2010-03-18 08:56 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] fyrdrakken
Can't watch vid clips from work -- but I can go to Netflix and add something to my queue, which I just did... (Also, that linked blog post was enragening.)

on 2010-03-19 02:05 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I hope you enjoy it! It's a wonderful film.

on 2010-03-21 12:22 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ressie-noldo.livejournal.com
That scene is a thing of glory and everything I needed right now -- almost counteracts the rage at what it's reacting to. (The thing that's been getting me is that a lot of the most widely-publicised recent harassment incidents have all been in my city, you know, the one that prides itself on being All Cosmopolitan And Whatnot Look We Have Malls, and -- argh.)

on 2010-03-22 05:38 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I am so glad it was good for you! It is that, I think - good for the soul.

on 2010-11-21 04:44 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] toft-froggy.livejournal.com
Oh MAN. Okay. I'm going to watch that scene every time I feel sad for the rest of my life. This movie needs to be in my life right now.

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