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So, I am posting after quite a lot of a bottle of wine, and a pitcher labelled "pink spritzer" which I am told had both pinot grigio and blackberry liqueur making up most of its volume. But. Some things you post about when you're drunk, too, and sometimes drunkenness is what lends you the eloquence.

The BBC reports: Anger at US mixed marriage "ban"; ThinkProgress had more. Basically, some justice of the peace in Louisiana is getting his place in the sun by talking publically about how he doesn't issue marriage licences to interracial couples, though he does like black people, and even lets them use his bathroom. I mean, he's not a racist, like. He does it for the sake of the children.

The funny thing is, it isn't actually a picnic growing up as a child of two cultures. If you're really unlucky, your mother will be Lowri Turner and she'll write in a national newspaper about how much of a racist she is and how sensitive, thoughtful and attentive she isn't going to be to your journey being a child of more than one world. White people are funny like that; they think they are the normal, and everyone else is "multicultural" and "ethnic" and strange; they think they are the only way to be. But we outnumber you, you know. Right now, we outnumber you in volume of numbers - I'm an Indian woman, one in twelve of living humans is Indian and female, and one in six is brown (and stands up straight, and is strong, intelligent and beautiful, despite not being pale like you). Right now, we outnumber you; mathematically, we are the normal, and it's only accidents of history that make you so proud of being white. (Even if we weren't, we sing, dance and tan better than you. Deal.)

And then, interracial relationships are quite close to my heart, as a topic, as a way of losing all sorts of privilege, but also as a truth it's very difficult to deny. I grew up as a brown person in a white culture; I'm whiter than lots of people who are white, establishment baby lawyer with PPE degree from Oxford, but I can look in the mirror and never be white, when the summmer comes I wear strappy tops and feel the sun beneath my skin, I'm brown, brown, brown again. (And I am strong, intelligent and beautiful too. Deal with that as well.) Right now that's strange, and odd; exploring being the child of two cultures is something we don't talk about - in America they have hyphenated identity, they don't have this odd British thing of being British but having come from somewhere else within the last generation, of having a place I came from and a place I'm going but not a place I am. And right now that is strange - but we outnumber you. I say it over and over again, but the nation-state is dying, slowly, slowly; a nation is a group of people who identify together, who are one culture, one people; and a state is a political entity of people who are governed together, and it has been another accident of history that the two have so often coincided, but it's just that, a coincidence. Why should people who are one people all live in the same place? Every people has people who wake up one morning and take long journeys in search of better things.

So Mr. Bardwell and his interracial marriages are all very nice, and think of the children: the children who will be all there is, who will all that is left after a world has understood that race is a thing and ethnicity is a thing and people and community are other things, and the world is marching on, on, towards better things. He can live in Louisiana and not issue marriage licences to interracial couples but he's an old man and he'll be dead soon, and I woke up this morning and I am still myself, still brown and strong, and my partner is white, and we are human beings, and tomorrow is the festival of light, and we celebrate it as part of a billion people, and no one can take it away from us, that endless beauty in the world.
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on 2009-10-16 08:52 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
It may be a drunk!blog, but it's beautifully true. Cheers!

on 2009-10-18 12:53 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
And to you! Thank you.

on 2009-10-16 09:14 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] greek-jester.livejournal.com
I wish there was something I could say to make it better. I wish there was some way to take the Mr Bardwell's of the world & make them see, somehow.

P.S. Don't forget the water & the asprin - especially the water :-)

on 2009-10-18 12:54 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*grins* Was good advice, yes it was. And thank you.

on 2009-10-16 09:39 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] icepixie
feel the sun beneath my skin

Was this phrasing deliberate? 'Cause I think it's awesome, the idea of sun beneath your skin.

(The rest of the post is great too!)

on 2009-10-18 12:55 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*smiles* Yes, it was. It is meant to evoke a certain feeling - this weird feeling, when the really hot sun comes out, that something right is happening on my skin. I may be wrong, and everyone may feel this and not just brown people who live in very cold countries, but sun beneath my skin is the only way I've ever found to get close to evoking it.

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on 2009-10-16 09:44 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] osymandias.livejournal.com
That was very eloquent :-)

on 2009-10-18 12:58 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Thank you! :P

on 2009-10-16 10:08 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] emerald-embers.livejournal.com
*headdesks*

Yeah, my cousins Amber and Andrew wouldn't be here if not for interracial marriage (English + Filipino) so... yeah. Ugh.

on 2009-10-16 10:10 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] emerald-embers.livejournal.com
* And as I'm sober and completely lacking in eloquence regardless, just to clarify, that's an ugh of "Please to be falling onto a fire Mr Bardwell", not an ugh of "I hate my cousins". ;)

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on 2009-10-16 10:09 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] pinkdormouse.livejournal.com
Excellent post. People are people are people.

We had a box of Celebrations from the temp assistant IT person today. She seemed surprised that I went into her office to wish her 'Happy Diwali' rather than just 'Thanks for the Chocolates'. But we got to talk about sweets and fireworks and my attempts to fit lots of festivals into not enough evenings for the Brownies.

Have a lovely day tomorrow!

on 2009-10-18 01:00 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Thank you, and a happy Diwali to you, too.

on 2009-10-16 10:18 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jacinthsong.livejournal.com
*hugs*

Love you. You are strong, intelligent and beautiful. Shubh Deepavali for forty minutes time, too.

on 2009-10-18 01:03 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Love you too! Happy Diwali to you, too, my dear.

on 2009-10-16 10:23 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com
This is an awesome post, and you are an awesome person.

on 2009-10-18 01:03 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Oh, love, thank you. Happy Diwali!

on 2009-10-16 10:45 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] thistlerose.livejournal.com
My beautiful, beautiful first cousins once removed are the product of an interracial marriage. Fuck Bardwell.

You are beautiful and this post is beautiful. I think you're right. *hug*

Happy Diwali.

on 2009-10-18 01:15 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Oh, honey. A very happy Diwali to you, too.

on 2009-10-16 11:09 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mirabile-dictu.livejournal.com
Beautifully written -- it moved me deeply.

on 2009-10-18 01:26 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Thank you for reading it. :)

on 2009-10-16 11:10 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] anotherusedpage.livejournal.com
Gods, girl. This is beautiful to read. I love you a lot right now.

Happy Diwali, gorgeous.

on 2009-10-18 01:27 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Love you too! And a very happy Diwali to you, too. :)

on 2009-10-17 01:03 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tau_sigma
I am just horrendously shocked at so many of the things that have been said. And yes, I am in an interracial relationship, I guess; I hesitate - in fact, actively dislike - to label it as such because, no matter what Lowri fucking Turner says, it is not a statement. It is simply who I love. And it doesn't matter to either of us, and, for the record, he is the product of a mixed-race marriage (which, yes, didn't work out, but not at all because of cultural reasons) and it has had NO FUCKING ADVERSE EFFECT AT ALL on him. I am really quite angry at all this. (The old dude in Louisiana, etc., obv. not you.)

Also, happy Diwali. I fail a little, because I was going to send you a card or something (I have no idea if that is at all appropriate, but it was going to be my clumsy English way of not ignoring your cultural celebrations), but it was stuck in my head as the 20th October, so I am unexpectedly out of time. Sorry.

on 2009-10-18 01:31 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Hmm. It's not a statement, but I don't think it ever is; mine isn't either, it's just once, I met a boy at a party and fell in love. I think the outside world places meaning on interracial relationships whether the participants want it there or not; I find myself wanting to take on the responsibility to educate people, even though I don't have to, and shouldn't have to. It makes me angry, too.

*grins* And, you know what, I really appreciate the thought. Happy Diwali to you, too!

on 2009-10-17 01:24 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] nerves-patterns.livejournal.com
So, so beautiful. Happy Diwali.

on 2009-10-18 01:31 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*smiles* Thank you, and happy Diwali to you, too.

on 2009-10-17 01:33 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] deathbyshinies.livejournal.com
<3. And happy Diwali. And <3 again, so many times.

on 2009-10-18 01:31 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*squish* To you too, my dear.

on 2009-10-17 03:33 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mystefaction.livejournal.com
Marching towards better things, oh yes. Shubh Diwali.

on 2009-10-18 01:31 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
And to you! :)

on 2009-10-17 04:19 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] walkertxkitty.livejournal.com
Wow...that is BOLD considering the general content of the population of Louisiana. My girlfriend Dorie lives there. Most of the state is composed of the Cajun population, which is multi-racial. Many of the families are of the French/German/African American (except they were slaves back then)/Native persuasion. They also intermarry within their clans. I've been introduced to twins, one dark skinned and one with red hair and blue eyes. I've seen brothers and sisters who ran every color of the human rainbow...from the same family.

This guy doesn't typify the attitude down there (Dorie and I don't get stares and she's Cajun and I'm unusual enough with my mix of Native and Swede features). I don't expect him to last long with his proclamation.

on 2009-10-18 01:34 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I hope not. I suspect the statement may be an attempt to get himself in the news, nothing more and nothing less.

on 2009-10-17 04:36 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] 47-trek-47.livejournal.com
I'm whiter than lots of people who are white, establishment baby lawyer with PPE degree from Oxford

Would you be willing to explain this comment a bit? I'm confused as to what is intrinsically "white" about this--being educated and moving toward a powerful career? Am I misunderstanding that part of it? Are you using "white" to mean "privileged?"

I hope you'll excuse my ignorance! I am definitely not trying to argue at all, I'm just trying to understand your meaning.

on 2009-10-18 01:38 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
It wasn't very clearly expressed to begin with, so bear with my drunken self. :) I don't always equate "white" with "privileged", but I do in this particular context, because I have a strong suspicion that the fact I'm Oxford-educated negates assumptions about me - that people whom I don't know, when they ask me what I do/where I studied, are genuinely surprised at the answer, and straight away have to renegotiate whatever assumptions they might have already begun to hold. It's almost as if I'm in the white-people's club by default, you know? Because obviously brown people can't be educated, so I'm probably white on the inside.

on 2009-10-17 05:29 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
This post is beautiful. I'm looking forward to a more fluid humanity.

on 2009-10-18 01:39 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Thank you. Me too. :)

on 2009-10-17 07:05 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] annikah.livejournal.com
Beautifully written. Happy Diwali!

on 2009-10-18 10:33 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
And to you, a little late!

on 2009-10-17 07:16 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] yiskah.livejournal.com
This is a great post. Thank you.

on 2009-10-18 10:33 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
You're very welcome, and happy Diwali.

on 2009-10-17 11:12 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] darwinian-woman.livejournal.com
*Squees for you* - thank you for this post :)

on 2009-10-18 10:34 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*grins* and thank you for reading it.

on 2009-10-18 10:34 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*squish* happy Diwali, you.

on 2009-10-17 12:11 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] the-acrobat.livejournal.com
That article makes me ragingly angry. As far as I'm concerned, that justice of the peace should have been fired, quietly, as soon as someone realized what he was doing. And I say quietly not because I don't think this sort of racism should be exposed (should be), but because I think people like this should not be allowed to grandstand. Exposing what he did for the purpose of public shaming is just fine. And I say fired because this kind of bigoted behaviour is absolutely not acceptable. And I don't have anything very coherent to say because it's Saturday morning after a very nice Friday night and I haven't had my coffee yet, but yeesh.
Every people has people who wake up one morning and take long journeys in search of better things. Yes.
Also, happy Diwali. Happy, happy you; I'm so glad for these approximately 10 years I've known you, brown, strong, intelligent and beautiful, and a better singer and dancer than I (though I do tan quite well ;)

on 2009-10-18 10:35 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*grins* Happy Diwali to you too, lovely lovely you.

on 2009-10-17 12:37 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dr-biscuit.livejournal.com
Yes to this.
Happy diwali <3

on 2009-10-18 10:34 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
And to you! <3

on 2009-10-17 06:43 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] subservient-son.livejournal.com
Happy Diwali I would have sent you a card, but I'm still navigating Bristol.

I have an odd experience of being part of two cultures, Because most of the time I'm white English for all intents and purposes, but then occasionally something will displace me from that assumption, albeit briefly. It was not long ago that my parents would have been considered an interracial marriage, an in fact I've always suspected that a lot of the resentment of my mother by her mother-in-law stems from that fact. Of course, for the vast majority of the time, my experience is one of privilege.

And yes, what a wanker.

on 2009-10-18 10:35 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*grins* Happy Diwali to you, too.
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