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I've been meaning to make this post for a while! Deep Space Nine, lovelies. People who really don't understand the silly Star Trek thing, look away now. (Except you don't get to make fun of me for it, I love science fiction and I love Star Trek and I am so done being ashamed of that.)

Deep Space Nine is the third Star Trek series. It's the only one to be set in one place, it's the only one to have a large cast of recurring characters, it's the first one not to feature a ship called Enterprise. As for what it's about: oh, god, I have no idea. It's about a space station called Deep Space Nine. It's sort of about war, and a little bit about religion, and a lot about family, and mostly about people.

I watched the pilot, "Emissary", in June 2009, and I just finished "What You Leave Behind", the final episode of the seventh season, and I have been watching this show for ten eleven months and I feel like I should say something about it that isn't just flail. I've been enormously lucky in that not one but two of my best friends were watching it for the first time at the same time as me - [livejournal.com profile] jacinthsong and [livejournal.com profile] hathy_col, thank you for a) putting up with me and b) lending me so many DVDs - and I've had a chance to properly squee. Squeee!

But first of all here are some things I don't like about it:

-How it deals with queer issues. It's the closest Star Trek ever comes to acknowledging queer people exist at all in the lovely utopian liberal future, and so I sort of expect better of it – but… no. It does have "Rejoined", where we do get a relationship between Dax and Lenara, and a proper same-sex kiss and everything. But… it's predicated on Dax having previously been a man, which rankles, and it ends badly, which rankles even more. And, well, why just one, and why so sad, whereas the future is supposed to be full of as many happy queer couples as there are straight ones.

And, Ezri and Worf having sex later in the show really rankles – in doing that, they break the same Trill taboo that Dax and Lenara do in this episode, but, surprise, surprise, because Worf's a man, somehow the same righteous indignation never features.

(And let's not even start with the queer couples in the mirror universe. Ezri Tigan likes women, but it's okay, because she's evil. Admittedly, the writing in "The Emperor's New Cloak" does highlight the stupidity of it all with Rom as the baffled audience mouthpiece, but still.)

-How it incorporates women. DS9 has one of the largest main casts of any science fiction show I can think of, and dozens of recurring characters on top – but of the main cast of eight, a mere two are women.

But as a moderate defence, I've watched seven seasons of the show and almost... didn't notice? I mean, yes, it's egregious, but as a rule DS9 is not bad at women. Neither Kira nor Dax (either of her) is a token - they are all fleshed out characters with thought-through arcs. And there are other women, too: Kasidy Yates, who smuggles supplies to the Maquis and is not sorry for it; Leeta, who could so easily be One-Shot Hot Girl, but then recurs over four seasons (and joins a union to piss Quark off!); Lwaxana Troi, who hands down is the best recurring character in Star Trek; Tora Ziyal, who blossoms despite years of slavery.

Another gripe, though before I go on: one of the most important women in the show, who for two seasons is its major antagonist, who recurs and recurs and recurs… doesn't have a name. She's referred to in the script, and in dialogue, as "the female changeling". And, okay, we do get the handwave in one episode that individual changelings don't have names – that Odo is unusual in that respect – but if she were another changeling who looked like Odo, I suspect she wouldn't have been referred to as "the male changeling". I'm just sayin'.

But, to return to that point. DS9 isn't bad with women at all. Nearly every episode passes the Bechdel test, and it's not all technobabble, either. Dax and Kira talk about, among other things: why Kira should not be a therapist, Captain Boday and his transparent skull; why holodeck kayaking is for suckers; why Kira's faith is important to her; why you're not supposed to hit Lancelot in the face when you're pretending to be Guinevere. Dax and Sidrella have a screaming row. Keiko and Kira talk about family. It doesn't happen as often as I'd like, but every time you think it's getting a bit manly, it passes the test with flying colours.

But what do I like about it, that is the question. Oh, so much. I love the tissue of the whole world it creates. The show begins in literal darkness. The space station is still called Terok Nor, a grim tentacular horror of a space station that is being busily trashed by the withdrawing occupying forces. The Cardassians kick stuff about, they leave. In come the Bajorans, who are throwing off the yoke of the oppressor not with a happy shout but with a sort of resigned efficiency, and the Federation, who are merely helping out. They aren't doing it all that well: Sisko's grieving for his wife and doesn't really give a shit about the assignment, Dax hasn't even been a new person all that long, O'Brien can't make the Federation and Cardassian computers work together. Bashir's all enthused that he gets to be a noble doctor working here in this third-world savage backwater, and Kira, as one of the noble savages herself, is getting ready to kick his head in.

Then, right next to the space station in the back of beyond, a stable wormhole is discovered to the Gamma Quadrant. And suddenly these people are at the centre of the world, and suddenly they have to be the best people they can be. And... oh, I love it, I do. Other Trek shows are pretty rubbish at people, interpersonal relationships, love stories, the rest of it – they're plot driven, spatial-anomaly driven, moral-dilemma driven. And Deep Space Nine is about… it's about Sisko and Jake, working out that father-and-son thing here in this very strange environment. It's about how they build ships together, go on trips together, about how Jake sets his father up on dates and Sisko yells at Jake for not doing his homework. It's about how Kira, who has been a terrorist her entire life, has been fighting the Cardassians her entire life, and has to learn now how to have friends, how to have fun, how not to fight, how to live.

(And let's pause for a moment on that: Kira, a woman with strong religious faith, who describes herself as a terrorist, who never regrets her actions, is nevertheless depicted as consistently principled and awesome.)

And then there's Julian Bashir, who incidentally is both non-white and British, who develops from annoying wunderkind to much more rounded character, and he and Miles O'Brien go on to get drunk together, play darts together, fight at the Alamo together and periodically declare their love for each other, together. And Nog, the Ferengi kid whom Jake teaches to read in the first season, who by the seventh season is a lieutenant in Starfleet, and so well-written and effective has his character development been, you absolutely believe it.

And then there's Odo, Quark and Garak, the three alien characters who are not backdrops to the humans – whose concerns and motivations are both entirely real and entirely at odds, on occasion, with those of the Federation.

And there's the whole world this takes place in: the politics of Bajor and Cardassia, the war against the Dominion, the smaller details like the Bajoran shrine on the station, the baseball in Sisko's office, the fomenting unionists in Quark's bar. The darker cast it puts on the Federation: Section 31, and the infamous root beer analogy. The brilliant, and brilliantly random recurring themes of yammok sauce (this is apparently a Cardassian condiment – why it gets so much discussion is never explained) and self-sealing stembolts (which are never explained at all). It's all so well-realised and internally consistent that these things make sense, and they're deployed with such a light and confident touch that you don't even have these sudden, self-conscious this-is-science-fiction moments, but only, these are people in a brave new world, but they're people.

Obviously I want to finish this by posting a clip from the show. I was going to post Miles and Julian getting drunk and singing Jerusalem, and then I was going to post Kira and Dax wearing the most amazing hats ever seen on television, and then I was going to post Garak, being Garak.

But now I'm going to post this: for the simple reason that it's during this little clip that my mild liking for this show made the leap into full-on love. All you need to know is that Kira has, for various reasons, just lost her job as first officer and liaison between the Federation and the Bajorans, and is preparing to leave the station.





And that's a wrap. I'm rewatching bits of TNG and Voyager at the moment, and in some ways I wonder what can be done, if anything, with the Star Trek franchise now - as some pro writer or other put it at some point, how far in the future can they go? Do things just get sleeker and tinier? But if this is all we've got, then for me, I'm happy. I mean, there are seven hundred extant episodes of Star Trek, I've watched most of them over the last ten years, and you know what? I'm a hippie drippy liberal, and I would like a better world. Yay, show.

on 2010-05-26 11:17 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] such_heights
adalksjd, omg, that clip. <3 This post! <3333 DS9 will always be a show of my heart.

on 2010-05-27 12:10 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] settiai
Oh, show. ♥

on 2010-05-27 12:23 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jacinthsong.livejournal.com
Shoooooow. <3

in some ways I wonder what can be done, if anything, with the Star Trek franchise now
Have you followed any of the release of Star Trek Online? I read a couple of articles and then forgot about it mostly cos it's really not my medium, even though I am a total sucker for post-Dominion War stuff and it sounded like they were doing some fairly interesting things.

on 2010-05-27 12:26 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jacinthsong.livejournal.com
Also clip, OH SHOW. "Will someone please explain this conversation to me?"

on 2010-05-27 03:06 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
I haven't played it, but the first tie-in for the game is um, Jake Sisko's collected Pulitzer winning reporting on whatever war (after the Dominion, before the game opens) just happened.

WHICH SOUNDS AWESOME BECAUSE I AM WEAK FOR JAKE.

on 2010-05-27 03:23 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
In defense of the female changeling being nameless: she's probably not actually female because none of them have gender and none of the 'male' changelings get names - except Laas who falls under the same specific reason.

We could talk more about the Changelings and their lack of gender, but I would want to reference one of the books I know you haven't read yet. Though I hope you will eventually, because it would be cool to write DS9 Relaunch fic and have at least one other person be able to read it.

And that's a wrap. I'm rewatching bits of TNG and Voyager at the moment, and in some ways I wonder what can be done, if anything, with the Star Trek franchise now - as some pro writer or other put it at some point, how far in the future can they go?

It's kind of a moot question now that they rebooted the entire universe. I seriously doubt we'll see any of the Prime characters again. I think it was the right decision in a lot of ways - people seem convinced that a future show will take place in the Abramsverse, which I think likely. (I will go further and say that rather than recasting Kirk for TV, I think any future show will be the AU Reboot of TNG.)

It seems to me that so long as there's political turmoil among humanity, there can be a Star Trek. I think people mistake Star Trek for being a show with crazy space adventures, but it's really crazy space adventures that are drawn from the headlines and made fictional so we can talk about them philosophically without worrying.

on 2010-05-27 04:14 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] the-acrobat.livejournal.com
Hee. You may just have talked me into watching.

on 2010-05-27 05:20 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] cscottd.livejournal.com
*agree*

on 2010-05-27 05:42 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] coloursofdusk.livejournal.com
The Trill taboo is, if I remember correctly, that two bonded Trill who have been linked romantically in previous lives/hosts should not hook up again. The idea is to prevent dynasties and centuries-long alliances. Trill relationships with non-bonded Trill or members of other species don't have the same weight of tradition and taboo.

I read my way through the DS9 Companion Guide when I was about thirteen, and a story told by the writer of Dax and Lenara's episode has always stuck with me. An irate parent complained to him about the same-sex kiss, saying that his child should not have to be exposed to "that kind of thing". The writer asked the father "If one of the women had instead pulled out a gun and shot the other woman, would you have complained?" "No." "Well then, I don't think we [the writers] are the ones with the problem."

on 2010-05-27 09:54 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] doyle_sb4.livejournal.com
Still my favourite Trek series - oh, I was so in love with Jake Sisko when I was a young teenager. I bought all the YA books about him and Nog <3

on 2010-05-27 05:55 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
"How can you be chatting about hand lotion at a time like this?"

OH SHOW. I wish I could write up my feelings this eloquently, but to be honest I just end up crying slightly irrationally because I'm so distraught it's over.

I will see you Saturday and be more eloquent! Or maybe just go "OH ODO WHY DID YOU LEAVE HER." Either or.

on 2010-05-27 06:38 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] subservient-son.livejournal.com
'Nearly every episode passes the Bechdel test... Dax and Kira talk about, among other things: ... Captain Boday and his transparent skull; ... why you're not supposed to hit Lancelot in the face when you're pretending to be Guinevere.'

Surely those are both conversations about a man (sorry for nitpicking)?

'I'm rewatching bits of TNG and Voyager at the moment, and in some ways I wonder what can be done, if anything, with the Star Trek franchise now'

Did I not email you my idea?

on 2010-05-27 07:43 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] katemonkey.livejournal.com
Oh DS9, I do love you.

There are huge blocks of the series that I missed, and I'm slowly catching up with them now and, god, it just astounds me how ridiculously good it was.

And you totally should've included the drunken "Jerusalem" singing as well. THAT IS THE BESTEST SCENE IN ALL OF HISTORY.

on 2010-05-27 08:49 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] janne.livejournal.com
I've been playing Star Trek Online since the beta, and bought a lifetime subscription. I'm not generally much of an MMO fan, but that game is *gorgeous*. Wonderful graphics, plotlines that make me squeal with trekkish glee, and all sorts of cameos and appearances by people from all over trek canon. Oh, and Spock Prime narrating the main storyline, and heartily congratulating on each rise in rank. I'm happy with it! (The icon would be my beta char from ST Online :)

on 2010-05-27 08:51 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I am half-tempted to just watch the whole thing from the beginning again, because SHOW.

on 2010-05-27 08:55 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] janne.livejournal.com
Random thought on women in DS9 -- I heartily disliked Kai Winn initially, but she's really grown on me with rewatching. Strong, ambitious woman who gets what she wants in the end (though the warning 'beware what you wish for, you might get it' comes to mind), and oh that last romance of hers has me in stitches! No swooning thereabouts :D.

on 2010-05-27 08:58 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Show! *nodnod*

on 2010-05-27 08:59 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I absolutely love the idea of it, and was a big geek about waiting for it, and.... no Mac release. *siiiiigh* I am told that running it in a Windows emulator is just troublesome, so I just have to wait.

on 2010-05-27 08:59 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*waaail* It sounds so great, and there's no Mac release!

on 2010-05-27 09:02 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Mmmm, true, but she's still coded as female, her body is female, she's given female pronouns by both the Federation and the Dominion, and she's not referred to as "the changeling" or "the Founder", she's the female changeling with reinforcement of female as other and male as neutral, you know?

I may or may not go for the relaunch novels, I'm not sure! I have the one about Garak on the shelf waiting to be read, so I don't know.

on 2010-05-27 09:02 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Do, do! I think you would enjoy it.

on 2010-05-27 09:27 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Mmm, yes, but I always thought that was suspiciously convenient, you know? Obviously in a universe as enormous as Star Trek, they can always come up with plausible-sounding explanations for the total lack of queer visibility and problematic depictions of queerness when it isn't invisible, but in the end I stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

That's a great story, though! Despite my gripes, I do like "Rejoined" as an episode - problematic it may be, but points for trying after all those years.

on 2010-05-27 09:27 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Awww, bless! They are so cute, though.

on 2010-05-27 09:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
Failure of the Federation to do gender distinction well? I mean, the Andorians are four gendered in the books and despite being FOUNDING members - 'Shar is still taking on the male pronoun to make it easier for them. :S

I mean, I essentially agree, I just don't want to agree - you know, out of love.

The Garak book is pretty fun - I know a lot of people who swear by it being canon, even those who dislike the others. I am not quite so enamored with certain parts but there are a couple of facets to Cardassian society that he adds that I really adore. So I'm willing to accept it. (I thought the recent "Never Ending Sacrifice" was a much more coherent look at Cardassian society. I think "A Stitch in Time" has some bits that try and go super-alien in a way I don't think sits all that comfortably with the general feel of Star Trek, whereas "Never Ending Sacrifice" balanced it better.)

I also recommend, if you're still on the fence, that "Lives of Dax" is a pretty awesome short story book which gives background on all the other hosts. That one I consider to be totally canon.

on 2010-05-28 10:40 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Tomorrow! Tomorrow we can clutch at each other and go OH ODO WHY WHY WHY.

on 2010-05-28 10:41 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'd definitely go with that. She's a great antagonist, and while I dislike her lots, that's just testament to how well-written she is.

on 2010-05-28 10:41 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Oh my god isn't it. I thought it might not work without the context, but who needs context. Oh, I do love them so.

on 2010-05-28 10:44 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Kind of? I always interpret the Bechdel test as being about the spirit of the conversation rather than being an exact test. The conversations about Lancelot and Captain Boday are really about Dax and Kira, I thought - in the Boday one, it's about Dax's incredibly broad choice of romantic partners, they could be talking about anyone as an example of that, and with Lancelot, the joke is Kira's total inability to have fun in holosuites. Again, the example could have been anything, it just happens to be about her punching Lancelot.

What idea is that?

on 2010-05-28 11:21 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] subservient-son.livejournal.com
Yeah, I still think Boday breaks the spirit as well as the word of the test, but I agree about Launcelot.

Check your email.

on 2011-03-03 01:37 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] curuchamion.livejournal.com
OH SHOW. Dang, I love that clip - it is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.

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