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At twenty past three, it's tending towards sunset: with snow on the ground, and a purplish tinge to the glass, it's grim but beautiful. Thank god for the East Coast Main Line, anyway. Free wifi for all the four hundred miles between Kings Cross and Edinburgh, this train doesn't stop till York, and I'm feeling relaxed for what seems the first time in weeks. I don't really know where to begin.

Maybe last night: when I stepped out of the Tube station, it was pitch black and and dark and late and miserable, and the man in front of me walked out into the clear air and said, sincerely, happily, for the whole world, "It's only fucking snowing!"

And it was. Not in a middle-of-city way, either; it came down in great extravagant whirls all night, gave me a terrible case of dandruff, and I couldn't sleep, so I watched it come down with a quiet sort of joy. It's beautiful. And the night and morning, with [livejournal.com profile] jacinthsong feeding me and making soothing noises, were a lovely peaceful interlude in what really has been a very difficult week. For the first thing, my brain is fraying at the edges a bit and giving me unhappy sorts of symptoms; I'm nervy and on edge and a little afraid of everything, and tired in my bones all the time because I can't sleep.

But I got through the two mock exams, the usual grind of classes, and the feeling in my head that I wanted to go away somewhere and live in a box - a well-upholstered box, with sofas, but nevertheless, cardboard walls and no windows - and I bought Christmas presents, and all was well until this morning when I went to see the Indian High Commission about a routine consular matter.

(Basically, it goes like this. I am a British citizen with a standard adult ten-year passport. I am also an overseas Indian citizen, and I hold a (limited) Indian passport. The latter is only valid as an adjunct to the former, and as it happens, my Indian passport was issued before I got my current British passport. I haven't been to India in nearly three years, so it hasn't come up for a while, but now I need to make sure the British passport number referred to in the Indian passport is the number of my current British passport.

Does that follow? I hope it does. It was a very simple problem.)

So a while ago I called the Indian High Commission and tried to explain this problem to them. First they didn't answer their phone. Then they did answer their phone and they were rude. Then they transferred me to another department. Who were also rude. The phone tag involved in all of this took several days. Finally I got an answer out of them: if I brought both current passports and the expired one with me, they could fix it for me, same-day.

Okay, I said. Today, that's what I set out to do. I got there at nine in the morning, took a ticket, told the woman at the counter my problem, she gave me a form to fill out. I tried to get in, and they said, are you carrying a computer in your bag.

Yes, I said.

Take the battery out, they said. I took a deep breath and complied - my parents advised, before I came, just to do whatever arbitrary things they demand, it'll be easier - and stuffed the battery in my pocket. Went down to the big hall, queued up for half an hour, and got to the window. They said, this is the wrong form. You gave it to me, I said. It's the wrong form, they said. Fine, I said, give me the right one and I'll fill it in.

Oh, you can't do that, you have to print it off and bring it back to us. No, we can't do it for you. How, I said, you made me take the battery out of my computer and in any case it's not like I carry a printer on me. Not our problem, they said.

So off I went again, rang [livejournal.com profile] shimgray, who by dint of being near a computer could tell me where the internet cafes were in the area. I walked a couple minutes to the nearest one, found their printer was broken. Walked twenty minutes to the next nearest one, paid £4.40 to print off three sheets of paper, walked back, took another token.

This time the queue was about an hour. Never mind, I thought, I'll read my book. I read my book. Time passed. I got to the window. They said, you need photocopies of your passports. I've got them here, I said, so the man went off to photocopy them. You need passport photos, he said. You didn't tell me that, I said. It's not on the form. Get passport photos, he said. I went out, paid £4 for them, and came back.

You need to pay the fee, he said, it's £18. I gave him a twenty-pound note. No, you need to pay exact change. Where am I going to get exact change for £18, I said. It's not like I can go to a cash machine for that much. He said, you should have been prepared, you stupid girl; you didn't even have the photocopies, everyone else here has them, you didn't even cut up the passport pictures for us, it's just you, you're stupid, you stupid, stupid girl.

Don't you dare abuse me, I said. Don't you dare take that tone with me.

He wasn't abusing you, said the woman behind me in the queue. It's all your fault.

Don't you start, I said, and the man slammed my papers down and said, I'm not doing it, you can get lost, I'm not doing your application, get out.

Give me my passport, I said after that. Give me my papers, give them to me now. And I took them, and I walked out, and I went down to the river, and sat on a bench and cried and cried.

So I may not be going to India in January. I don't know. The jury is out on whether you can travel with the expired passport to prove that the Indian passport was legitimately issued; maybe, maybe not, I suppose I will have to find out. In the papers I grabbed off the desk, I have the paper that acknowledges my application was submitted, so possibly this will be done anyway, but not before January 22nd (it wasn't a same-day job; they lied) so I don't know.

In retrospect, I think I know why I was so upset; it's that I don't have to do this. I don't have to hold Indian citizenship. I hold it because I'm supposed to be proud of being Indian; I'm supposed to think Indian citizenship is a valuable and worthy thing to have. But the British High Commission in New Delhi is in Chanakyapuri, near my grandparents' house, and if I went there for help they would treat me with respect, and why, after all, bother being proud of a nation that can't give you any common courtesy, that is, let's face it, grimy, bureaucratic, misogynistic and full of fucking Indians.

(And I know, I know, all Indians aren't like this, I'm not like this. But I feel disgusted and embarrassed anyway.)

...and so on. The train is tilting pleasantly underneath me; I should finish my [livejournal.com profile] yuletide, and pretty soon this week will be over.
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on 2009-12-18 04:56 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Thank you for hugs! :) I am feeling quite fragile this evening.

on 2009-12-18 04:47 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
Kafka bureacracy is one thing, but you stupid girl is COMPLETELY out of bounds. I'm so sorry.

on 2009-12-18 04:58 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*sighs* I suspect that if I had not been a woman on her own, that might not have happened.

on 2009-12-18 04:48 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] sir-rosealot.livejournal.com
Oh no! That's so awful! Is there anyone you can complain to?

on 2009-12-18 04:59 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I've been thinking about that - I suspect not, because they really do treat everyone this badly, not just me.

on 2009-12-18 05:02 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] sir-rosealot.livejournal.com
My housemate suggests writing an angry letter to the Times, she says newspapers love stories of what it means to be a citizen of x place, and also rudeness.

on 2009-12-18 07:45 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] bekkypk.livejournal.com
I'd also suggest this, cos that is *well* out of order. Nobody should ever speak to anybody like that, not least somebody who has gone to all the trouble of following all their picky little rules to the letter!
xx

on 2009-12-19 06:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
That's a great idea, please thank her for that. :)

on 2009-12-18 05:04 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] liminereid.livejournal.com
What is it with immigration officials? the vast majority of them seem to be arseholes who left their humanity at the door. This all sounds special levels of horrible. I'm so sorry. Hugs.

on 2009-12-19 06:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
They ARE arses, oh dear me yes. Thank you for the hugs, my dear.

on 2009-12-18 05:06 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
...that is horrible. They sound like a whole bunch of petty and paranoid jobsworths. *hugs*

on 2009-12-19 06:37 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*squish* Oh, they are. Thank you for hugs.

on 2009-12-18 05:28 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] kuteki.livejournal.com
Ugh. I am sorry you had to go through so much rude, bureaucratic bullshit, reading this actually made me angry on your behalf. People suck. :/

on 2009-12-19 06:39 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
People do suck. *groans*

(I like your icon, btw.)

on 2009-12-18 05:30 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] the-acrobat.livejournal.com
*HUGS*
What is *with* people???

on 2009-12-19 06:46 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I wish I knew! Thank you for the hugs.

on 2009-12-18 05:37 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] beachlass.livejournal.com
Oh, how awful.

on 2009-12-19 06:57 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
graaargh. It really was.

on 2009-12-18 05:51 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com
That's really horrible. Wow.

(And I clearly need to travel NatEx next time I go to Edinburgh, hang the extra cost. The transit between Birmingham and there without wifi is awful.)

on 2009-12-19 06:56 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
The wifi was just lovely. It's what you need for four hours on a train through the snow!

on 2009-12-18 06:11 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jacinthsong.livejournal.com
Petal. *hugs* If you want to complain and don't have the spoons, am happy to format the information in this post into the beginnings of a letter, or something.

xxx

on 2009-12-19 06:56 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*squish* Thank you, love. I am considering writing to one of the Indian newspapers about it, and I really would appreciate your help when I come to do it.

on 2009-12-18 06:37 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] deathbyshinies.livejournal.com
Oh my giddy aunt, that is a world of stuff-you-don't-need, isn't it?

I don't know if it helps at all, but I remember [livejournal.com profile] thekit's Mum having similar problems trying to keep her Malaysian citizenship while living in Australia, and nearly being driven out of her tree by it all. On consideration, I believe I will cease complaining about my wars with the Home Office forthwith -- they may have summoned me to Birmingham at 5am on a November morning, but at least they have never actually shouted abuse to my face. Aargh. INAPPROPRIATE AND UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT, THEY HAZ IT.

**hugs you and offers alcoholic things**

on 2009-12-18 06:38 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] deathbyshinies.livejournal.com
* and the second 'they' there was referring to the Indian High Commision, obvs!

on 2009-12-19 06:52 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
ARGH. I thought of you, actually, while I was doing all of this, and felt deeply grateful that vile as these people are, they can't throw me out of the country. I reckon your wars with the Home Office are just an example of awful this shit is.

(thank you for hugs and alcoholic drinks! I am now safe in Edinburgh and feeling much better)

on 2009-12-18 07:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] flashofalchemy.livejournal.com
Sounds exactly like the Kenyan embassies! Gahhh *hugs*

on 2009-12-19 06:47 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*hugs* Embassies everywhere are vile! I think we need a support group.

on 2009-12-18 08:28 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] troyswann.livejournal.com
Vogons abound, poor, sweet girl. I am glad you are on a train going somewhere else, and sad that they were mean to you. I feel I ought to get burly on someone's ass in your name. Point me at them. I'm skinny, but I'm wiry.

*hug*

on 2009-12-19 06:47 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I got off the train going somewhere else and I am now somewhere else. It's much better. Thank you for the gettin' burly. I like the image very much. :)

on 2009-12-18 09:09 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dr-biscuit.livejournal.com
*phasers on kill*
You poor honey. I hope there are many many cuddles and warm +/- alcoholic drinks awaiting you. When you are a grown up lawyer, I hope you pepper them with lawsuits.
*cuddles*

on 2009-12-19 06:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
I have been cuddled and given wine, and had SLEEP GLORIOUS SLEEP, and things are a lot better. *squish* thankyou.

on 2009-12-18 09:53 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] deepbluemermaid.livejournal.com
God, that's just terrible treatment. The exact change thing sounds like crossing the Canadian-American border by train. God help you if you don't have US$6 in exact change, despite the fact that you're coming from Canada where US dollars are not (usually) accepted currency!

It's strange that your Indian passport is limited; I am an Irish citizen, despite being born in NZ, and I have not only a full Irish passport but also an Irish birth certificate. And I am far less Irish than you are Indian - I only claim Irish descent via my grandfather being born there, and I've never even been to Ireland!

And yet, having said that, when I needed help in Rome (I needed a letter written to gain access to an archive) the New Zealand embassy was full of fail: the woman was rude, dismissive, and declared that since I was travelling on my Irish passport I wasn't their problem. I would have to pay for the limited, insufficient letter they could provide. The Irish embassy, by contrast, was welcoming and endlessly helpful, and provided the letter required for free.

on 2009-12-19 06:31 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
It's limited because there's a provision in Indian constitutional law which goes something like "anyone who has taken up the citizenship of another state shall be deemed to have renounced their citizenship of the Republic of India", etc. In practice this means you can hold Indian citizenship alongside another state's, but only through some legal machination involving being an overseas citizen, with another, "primary" citizenship. You are a citizen of New Zealand as well, right? You're a true dual national, I think, while I'm only a national-and-a-half. :)

I'm beginning to wonder if terrible treatment by embassies is normal - a lot of people have told me horror stories! But yesterday was quite special.

on 2009-12-18 11:18 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] absinthe-shadow.livejournal.com
Wow, that is SO rude and offensive. I'm so sorry he treated you like that. *hugs*

on 2009-12-19 06:24 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
Thank you for hugs, my dear. :) I'm feeling a lot better about it today.

on 2009-12-18 11:59 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tau_sigma
Oh Iona. *hugs*

Firstly, that is AWFUL. That is so awful I can hardly believe it happened; it is not at all what I associate with Indians, which probably helps not at all; I just struggle to imagine anyone, of any nation, being so utterly and without consequence RUDE and abominable. *hugs you everso* I'm so sorry.

Secondly, is it not possible for you to travel to India on your British passport? I imagine that might be more difficult, but perhaps it would be better than nothing? If so, I guess you can also try the 'here is my passport, my expired British passport, my current British passport' thing, and if that doesn't work, just get in on the British one?

And in relation to your comment below 'I suspect that if I had not been a woman on her own, that might not have happened.' - can you go back with your father? Would that help at all?

*hugs* I'm sorry, problem solving is probably not what you need right now, but I am physically not there to give you the hug you should have.

(Also, I would say, perhaps, as others have suggested: write about it. Write to an Indian official, a newspaper, somewhere. Express your disgust, because it's important, and I think the most important thing really is that it's your country as much as this is, and, like you said, you want to be proud to be a citizen, and it is disgusting that they make you doubt that. However, right now you should probably just enjoy time with Shim - if I'm right in assuming that's why you're in Edinburgh? - and, above all, relax. *huuuugs*)

A final note in this epic comment of doooooom! (I am so sorry.) You have my phone number, right? I meant to check when you posted asking for numbers, but I imagine you had your new phone when I e-mailed you my number, yeah? If not, let me know and I will give it to you. :)

on 2009-12-19 06:23 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
No, no, problem solving is good! I can travel to India on my British passport, technically, but to do that I would need a visa, and to get one of those I would have to explain why I needed one given that I'm listed as a dual-national, so it would be a similar amount of paperwork. My father hit the roof when I told him about it, which was cheering, so I think if I have to go there again I will take him, and in the meantime he'll call them and raise some hell.

I'm indeed in Edinburgh with Shim, and it's doing me a lot of good. I think you and the others are right; writing to someone is a good idea, even if it only makes me feel better.

Yes, I do have your number! You emailed it to me a couple of weeks ago. :)

on 2009-12-20 02:24 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] fyrdrakken
Very glad to hear that you're having a lovely stay in Edinburgh, and that the runaround you got isn't going to keep you out of India, and that your father is likely to come help raise hell with you if you go back for a second round at the embassy. Definitely write a letter or three to wherever might do some good.

on 2009-12-19 03:22 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] gamesiplay.livejournal.com
Oh. my. god.

How incredibly, impossibly, brutally inappropriate. I am so sorry.

The sense I get from the comments to this post: say the word and we will totally all storm the Indian High Commission for you.

*gathers pitchforks, torches, and villagers. also these two dogs that arbitrarily bite people, yay.*

on 2009-12-19 06:01 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*laughs* Thanks, honey. I cherish the image of you, pitchforks, villagers and especially dogs to bite them all in painful places. Mmm.

on 2009-12-19 11:37 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] amchau.livejournal.com
*hugs*

I hope this is sorted out soon, or at least that you are able to fly with your three passports. *more hugs*

on 2009-12-19 05:59 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] loneraven.livejournal.com
*squish* thank you.

on 2009-12-24 05:13 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ktroo85.livejournal.com
I spent two days in the last month at the Indian High Commission trying to get a piece of paper saying that I don't have a police record in india from my gap year in 2005 (I'm not allowed to teach in the UK without it). The worst bit was the second day where I had to submit my passport at 9am and collect it at 4pm with the bit of paper. I was still waiting at 5.30pm as I was a "special case" and the person to deal with my passport was in a meeting and couldn't be disturbed. I was also continually questioned about why on earth a british citizen needed an indian police check as they didn'tnormally do that. So I sympathise.

on 2009-12-18 04:33 pm (UTC)
Posted by [personal profile] stained_glass
Oh, honey! *HUGS!* That sounds so horrible.

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