Rogue One

Dec. 26th, 2016 04:18 pm
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[personal profile] raven
I wasn't originally going to see Rogue One, and then [personal profile] happydork said some things that changed my mind. So A. and I went to see it on the lunchtime Boxing Day showing, which was an awesome idea. We walked in just before the start time and the two chaps who were the only other people in there smiled at us and announced, "Welcome to our cinema!" By the time the actual film started, there were about ten people scattered around the seats, all wearing Christmas jumpers and comedy headwear. About ten minutes in someone realised that they hadn't dimmed the house lights, took off his Santa hat with an elaborate sigh and went off to see someone about it.

So that was a Star Wars movie. I was thinking for basically the first three quarters of the movie, ahhh, self, you always forget you don't actually like epic fantasy. (What I like about SFF is the reimagining of the quotidian, and this is basically the reverse of that.) But, you know, it was fine. And then I was about half an hour from the end, still thinking, hmmm, this was a perfectly nice way to spend a holiday afternoon, and then suddenly I got what they were doing and how the story was going to have to go. I mean, I didn't exactly sit up and shout "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO DIE AT THE END!!" at my cinema full of Santa hats, but. but.

Because - it's not epic fantasy, or at least in the same way. It doesn't say, a pretty blonde farm boy is going to save you. You will save you - bit by bit, inch by inch, in the bare hope that the flaw in the reactor core will be enough or that the signal will get through or that flicking the master switch will do what it needs to (or that the Force is with you; that there's anything to believe that you can't see) or that they'll remember you or that you're worth remembering or that anything is. I've seen some reviews of the film whining about how it's such a waste everyone dies everything is terrible. And you know, partly it's just cos I get so much fucking flak for this all the time and it's nice to see another work of fiction that's doing it. But we live in terrible times! And none of us are the chosen one! Surely there is hope in this: that if you just keep on going in the hope that others will pick up where you had to leave off, that's a story that needs telling.

okay I'm done shouting at clouds. I'm trying to spend Boxing Day not doing much but now I'm going to tidy my desk of eighteen months of papers! Hurrah, etc.

on 2016-12-26 05:02 pm (UTC)
happydork: A graph-theoretic tree in the shape of a dog, with the caption "Tree (with bark)" (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] happydork
I mean, I didn't exactly sit up and shout "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO DIE AT THE END!!" at my cinema full of Santa hats, but. but.

HAHAHA. It was a present just for you!

on 2016-12-26 05:20 pm (UTC)
skygiants: Nice from Baccano! in post-explosion ecstasy (maybe too excited . . .?)
Posted by [personal profile] skygiants
The whole world of data storage professionals is just like, 'THANK YOU FOR THIS GIFT OF A TEACHING TOOL, DISNEY'

on 2016-12-26 05:17 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] hannah
Rogue One felt very much like women's fandom because it assumed a level of familiarity and experience with the source texts and associated materials. I knew Star Wars pretty well going into it, and could follow along, and a lot of people I follow on DW were excited to see characters from the cartoons - and as such, they got more out of it than I did. And even beyond that, it was the sort of story I'd expect to see fandom tell, of what's just around the edges and hiding between the lines of the text, and this is the part of the world that's not always told in the main story.

The Force Awakens was very much celebratory, in the usual men's fandom way. There was some reexaminations (Luke's a girl now, Han's black and a Stormtrooper, Leia's a Latino man) but it was almost entirely a straightforward reproduction. Which was enjoyable. But I commented to someone else that TFA felt like the last of the old, and Rogue One felt like the first of the new. I'd be excited to see more Star Wars like RO here on out.

on 2016-12-26 08:12 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] glinda
But we live in terrible times! And none of us are the chosen one!

Yes, I feel that this was very much a film of its time and a film that tells a story that needs told right now.

Also as much as I would have watched a whole other movie about that ragtag band of rebellious misfits doing what needs to be done, I was actually quite excited that they committed fully and went wholehearted 'rocks fall: everybody dies.'

on 2016-12-26 08:49 pm (UTC)
longwhitecoats: Data looking quizzical (Data)
Posted by [personal profile] longwhitecoats
You will save you - bit by bit, inch by inch

Yes, exactly!! I loved that a lot. <333

on 2016-12-26 11:54 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] starlady
You will save you - bit by bit, inch by inch, in the bare hope that the flaw in the reactor core will be enough or that the signal will get through or that flicking the master switch will do what it needs to (or that the Force is with you; that there's anything to believe that you can't see) or that they'll remember you or that you're worth remembering or that anything is.

Yes, THIS. I adored it.

on 2016-12-27 09:15 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] eccentric_hat
It's kind of a marginal point, but I'm surprised how happy I was to see a Star Wars film that wasn't all about the members of one family. For a multivolume epic, Star Wars can paint with a pretty limited palette, the one that "You will be a Jedi like your father before you!" comes from. This, a collection of people strung out across space cooperating, collaborating, and fighting, was kind of a breath of fresh air.

on 2016-12-28 09:10 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] fyrdrakken
My mother and I went to see Rogue One yesterday -- just a few hours after getting the news that Carrie Fisher had indeed died, making the ending all the more poignant. This is definitely a year for a movie about fighting the good fight even if all you can do is a very little bit.

And yes, they did a brilliant job of doing a proper Star Wars movie without it being all about Jedi and/or Skywalkers. Definitely looking forward to Disney branching out in the universe if we get more like this.

on 2016-12-26 09:02 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] thistlerose.livejournal.com
Yes! I think you've captured - quite eloquently - what I liked most about Rogue One. Not everyone gets to be the Chosen One, or the princess. Sometimes it's just ordinary people doing what they have to do, in the hope that someday it will matter.

on 2016-12-26 11:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] greek-jester.livejournal.com
I've always found WW2 fascinating, so the idea that something is so vital that a person/group of people are willing to die to make it happen is not unusual to me. I knew from the moment the shield closed they weren't getting out of there, and I am very familiar with where the original Star Wars picked up (more or less immediately where Rogue One left off, plus an interstellar chase) so I knew the fleet was pretty much doomed. Still got a bit wobbly-lipped, though.

Loved that they finally answered the question that's been bouncing around since '77, though; how the hell does a planet-killing superweapon have such an easily-triggered fatal flaw? Answer: a rogue scientist snuck it in for revenge before leaking the info!

on 2016-12-27 05:21 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] not-hathor.livejournal.com
Really brings home the comment in the original SW movie re:"Many Bothans died to get this information..." Sounds like ROGUE ONE was about the Bothans....

on 2016-12-31 05:35 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] carthaginians
I loved it for the same reasons. Nobody was chosen; Bodhi especially was just a truck driver, who probably could have avoided the worst of what the Empire did or said he was following orders, but still said no.

It felt like a film we needed at this point in time.

on 2017-01-02 07:26 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel smiling against background of trees, with newly-cut short hair (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] rmc28
I bookmarked this to read once I'd seen the film, and yes, I too had that sudden realisation that they were all going to die getting the data out, just as they were setting up the chain of necessary actions to get it out.

It's still an incredibly hopeful film for something where everyone dies and I spend the last 20 minutes crying, and I think you sum up why:

"You will save you - bit by bit, inch by inch"

A lot of people each doing what they can, not a Hero Being Heroic.

on 2016-12-31 04:04 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] littlered2.livejournal.com
I enjoyed Rogue One very much, and I completely agree with you about the message. Sometimes stuff just has to be done and it's shit and nobody will know what you did afterwards, but it still matters.

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